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jonb55198

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:21 pm
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Hi,

I have a 1993 Toyota Corolla with 265k miles on it. There is a
vibration that has the following symptoms:
- it only occurs on the highway
- it starts gradually and increases in severity, then eventually fades
away and disappears within 10 miles.
- it happens only occasionally, seemingly randomly, and when it does
happen it happens at all speeds, not just a certain speed
- it appears to come from the front of the vehicle.
- you can feel it in the steering wheel AND the brake pedal
- it does not happen on local roads or at local roads speed
- when the vibration starts, you must bring the car to a complete stop
to get rid of it. If you only slow down, to local road speeds
(30-40mph) and then speed up again, it will still be present. The car
must come to a complete stop in order to proceed without a vibration
- it happens in the cold and warmish weather (here in boston is in the
40s and 50s now. it happens in 30s, 40s or 50s)
- i put in brand new front rotors and this did not cure it.

Please help. Email me with any advice that you can. Thanks!

-Jon

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 10:02 pm
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wrote in message

> Hi,
>
> I have a 1993 Toyota Corolla with 265k miles on it. There is a
> vibration that has the following symptoms:
> - it only occurs on the highway
> - it starts gradually and increases in severity, then eventually fades
> away and disappears within 10 miles.
> - it happens only occasionally, seemingly randomly, and when it does
> happen it happens at all speeds, not just a certain speed
> - it appears to come from the front of the vehicle.
> - you can feel it in the steering wheel AND the brake pedal
> - it does not happen on local roads or at local roads speed
> - when the vibration starts, you must bring the car to a complete stop
> to get rid of it. If you only slow down, to local road speeds
> (30-40mph) and then speed up again, it will still be present. The car
> must come to a complete stop in order to proceed without a vibration
> - it happens in the cold and warmish weather (here in boston is in the
> 40s and 50s now. it happens in 30s, 40s or 50s)
> - i put in brand new front rotors and this did not cure it.
>
> Please help. Email me with any advice that you can. Thanks!
>
> -Jon

Have you checked for worn joints, parts, etc in the front
suspension?..Include
CV or halfshaft joints in that. I would do this first and thoroughly as
this is
one of the symptoms of worn front end parts, you need to eliminate things
systematically and not throw parts at it, and last because it can kill you
if
you break a key front suspension part.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:52 am
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I have a 1993 Corolla (1.8 liter LE 4-door auto 251,000 mi.)
In the last 3 years I have replaced the:
-lower ball joints
-shock struts and
-front wheel bearings.

For your safety, inspect everything.

On this group there are experts who may be able to diagnose the condition
now causing vibration based on the described symptoms.

Good luck!

- Jack
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 7:34 am
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On Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:02:16 +0000, HLS wrote:

>
> wrote in message
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a 1993 Toyota Corolla with 265k miles on it. There is a
>> vibration that has the following symptoms: - it only occurs on the
>> highway
>> - it starts gradually and increases in severity, then eventually fades
>> away and disappears within 10 miles.
>> - it happens only occasionally, seemingly randomly, and when it does
>> happen it happens at all speeds, not just a certain speed - it appears
>> to come from the front of the vehicle. - you can feel it in the steering
>> wheel AND the brake pedal - it does not happen on local roads or at
>> local roads speed - when the vibration starts, you must bring the car to
>> a complete stop to get rid of it. If you only slow down, to local road
>> speeds (30-40mph) and then speed up again, it will still be present.
>> The car must come to a complete stop in order to proceed without a
>> vibration - it happens in the cold and warmish weather (here in boston
>> is in the 40s and 50s now. it happens in 30s, 40s or 50s) - i put in
>> brand new front rotors and this did not cure it.
>>
>> Please help. Email me with any advice that you can. Thanks!
>>
>> -Jon
>
> Have you checked for worn joints, parts, etc in the front
> suspension?..Include
> CV or halfshaft joints in that. I would do this first and thoroughly as
> this is
> one of the symptoms of worn front end parts, you need to eliminate things
> systematically and not throw parts at it, and last because it can kill you
> if
> you break a key front suspension part.


Ya, dot too....

Also, tires (a broken belt or a missing wheel weight), bearings, calipers,
etc.

Anything attached to the suspension that is worn can cause a vibration,
esp at this mileage. Take it to a good tire/suspension shop and have it
checked!
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:25 am
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Are the axles the originals? I bet they are real loose.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:03 pm
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On Apr 9, 7:25 am, zzyzzx wrote:
> Are the axles the originals? I bet they are real loose.

My guess is axles also.... sloppy bushings/ball joints can make it
worse.
Are the CV boots cracked? Throwing grease?
Either way, this is gonna be expensive..
I agree that you should get the car to a reputable shop, vibrations
can cause sudden and major damage including lack of control.
HTH,
Ben
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 11:37 pm
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ZZYZX RD., is an exit from I-15 about 40 miles south of Las Vegas ...

Just thought I'd share ...
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 9:58 am
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Ok,

Here is what I've been told. My mechanic says that it is the new
tires I bought a little less than 5000 miles ago. He says that the
tires are stretching when they warm up and there is a defect in the
tire. The tire place claims that the wheels have hops in them. They
showed me a slight wobble in my wheels. They are 14" steel, so i
doubt this is the issue. also, the wobble was so slight that it could
not possibly cause this violent of a vibration. Thridly, the
vibration is not constant, but intermittent.

So, does the tire defect seem logical to everyone? They are Yokohama
Avid TRZ 185-65R14.

Thanks for all your help thus far! You guys are great.

-jon
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 12:51 pm
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wrote in message

> Ok,
>
> Here is what I've been told. My mechanic says that it is the new
> tires I bought a little less than 5000 miles ago. He says that the
> tires are stretching when they warm up and there is a defect in the
> tire. The tire place claims that the wheels have hops in them. They
> showed me a slight wobble in my wheels. They are 14" steel, so i
> doubt this is the issue. also, the wobble was so slight that it could
> not possibly cause this violent of a vibration. Thridly, the
> vibration is not constant, but intermittent.
>
> So, does the tire defect seem logical to everyone? They are Yokohama
> Avid TRZ 185-65R14.
>
> Thanks for all your help thus far! You guys are great.
>
> -jon

A bad tire or tires is plausible, as are a damaged wheel. A wobble, dent,
or deformation in the wheel that is visible will almost definitely cause a
vibration, although the vibration is more likely to be consistent and not
intermittent.

Another possibility is that there is rust on the wheel to hub mating surface
and the wheel is not as securely mounted as it appears to be. The fix is to
remove the wheel, clean up the hub and wheel where they contact, apply a
very light coating of anti-seize, and re-install the wheels.

Have the shop or your mechanic measure wheel and tire lateral and radial
runout to determine which of these is the cause of the vibration.
--

Ray O
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Apr 12, 2008 12:53 pm
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On Apr 9, 3:37 pm, "Jeff Strickland" wrote:
> ZZYZX RD., is an exit from I-15 about 40 miles south of Las Vegas ...
>
> Just thought I'd share ...

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=ZZYZX+RD&sll=37.0625,....677068

Can I use that in Scrabble?
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 5:16 am
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On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 05:58:35 -0700, jonb55198 wrote:

> The tire
> place claims that the wheels have hops in them.

Now all you need is some barley and make a malt! (Sorry, couldn't resist.
What the hell is a 'hop'?)
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 5:27 am
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"Hachiroku " wrote in message

> On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 05:58:35 -0700, jonb55198 wrote:
>
>> The tire
>> place claims that the wheels have hops in them.
>
> Now all you need is some barley and make a malt! (Sorry, couldn't resist.
> What the hell is a 'hop'?)

It's what they combine barley and yeast with ...

DUH!
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:05 am
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On Apr 12, 9:16 pm, Hachiroku ハチロク wrote:
> What the hell is a 'hop'?)

A hop is their laymans term for a wheel that isn't true. A bent
wheel. I always thought wheel hop was when one applied too much
torque while accellerating, and the tires broke free and started to
"hop" up and down. Clearly something my corolla doesn't have the
balls to do haha.
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 2:41 pm
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"Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
> Another possibility is that there is rust on the wheel to hub mating
> surface and the wheel is not as securely mounted as it appears to be. The
> fix is to remove the wheel, clean up the hub and wheel where they contact,
> apply a very light coating of anti-seize, and re-install the wheels.
>
> Have the shop or your mechanic measure wheel and tire lateral and radial
> runout to determine which of these is the cause of the vibration.
> --
>

While everything you say is true, it bothers me a little bit that he can
stop the
oscillation by stopping the car and restarting.

OP....Have you rotated your tires recently and, if so, did this make any
difference??
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:34 pm
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"HLS" wrote in message

>
> "Ray O" <rokigawaATtristarassociatesDOTcom> wrote in message
>> Another possibility is that there is rust on the wheel to hub mating
>> surface and the wheel is not as securely mounted as it appears to be.
>> The fix is to remove the wheel, clean up the hub and wheel where they
>> contact, apply a very light coating of anti-seize, and re-install the
>> wheels.
>>
>> Have the shop or your mechanic measure wheel and tire lateral and radial
>> runout to determine which of these is the cause of the vibration.
>> --
>>
>
> While everything you say is true, it bothers me a little bit that he can
> stop the
> oscillation by stopping the car and restarting.
>
> OP....Have you rotated your tires recently and, if so, did this make any
> difference??

If the wheel is not properly mounted to the vehicle and the wheel is
shifting a little, applying the brakes can seat the wheel, and after driving
for a distance, the wheel shifts to where is causes a vibration again.
Measuring the lateral and radial runout of the wheel and tire separately
will determine whether the wheel or tire is the cause of the problem.
Cleaning up the wheel - vehicle mating surfaces will eliminate an improperly
mounted wheel as a possible cause.

Besides the wheel, tire, and wheel mounting, there are other possible causes
of vehicle vibrations, like a defective tire that has an internal problem
like a broken belt, CV joints, ball joints, rack ends, out-of-alignment,
suspension problem, wheel bearings, and a transmission problem.

Taking a systematic approach eliminates the most likely causes of the
problem and narrows down the possible sources of the vibration.


--

Ray O
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